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Bad behaviour at Te Puke.

After enjoying a great days racing at Te Puke's 3rd challenge round, the event was marred by bad behaviour of a few. Drama resulted from karts being impounded but this does not justifying the extreme bad language from Snow Mooney and Laine Moore from Australia. There was a crowd of nealy 50 including a lot of ladies and they  were treated to fs, cs etc from these 2 at the top of their voices. These people should apologise publicly for their behavior. The  club went to a lot of work and trouble in bad weather conditions to stage a great event and did not need this.

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Permalink Reply by Wayne Sproston on March 29, 2011 at 6:58
couldnt agree more it seems that certain Karters from arround the country need to have a look at themselves and stop putting commercial and personal agendas  first. just  look at the damage they do to the sport from there outbursts many people leaving the sport due to personal vendettas taken by certain competitors towards people .Kartsport needs to take a stand againest these people and give then a holiday the sport would be better off
Permalink Reply by Darryn WAUGH on March 30, 2011 at 22:53
Fortunately we dont have any of these sort of problems in road racing eh :-)) Its worlds apart.

Wayne Sproston said:
couldnt agree more it seems that certain Karters from arround the country need to have a look at themselves and stop putting commercial and personal agendas  first. just  look at the damage they do to the sport from there outbursts many people leaving the sport due to personal vendettas taken by certain competitors towards people .Kartsport needs to take a stand againest these people and give then a holiday the sport would be better off
Permalink Reply by Ross Tait on March 31, 2011 at 17:59
Statement from Lascom Motorsport

 

At last weekend round of the Rotax challenge all Karts were tested after the first race for chassis magnetism,

 

This is a rule that was put in place in 1998 and states (The bare chassis must be magnetic and of steel construction)

 

A small number of intrepid chassis were deemed by Kartsport NZ to have failed this rule when tested with a magnet,

 

On the evening there was a Kartsport hearing held and the decision was overturned,

 

After completion of the main heats 4 x  Intrepid Karts were technical impounded, a security tag was fitted to the chassis pending further examination by Kartsport NZ,

 

To date Lascom Motorsport nor any competitor have not had any feedback from Kartsport NZ as to what further checks are required,

 

Lascom Motorsport is treating this episode very seriously and has taken the following actions

 

To seek clarification on ruling and testing,

 

Brian Waldmeyer from Lascom is flying to meet with Intrepid Italy and will be meet at Milan airport on Thursday morning by the owner of Intrepid Mirko squezoni to discus what action are to be taken,

 

At this stage this is not a safety issue

 

 

 

Intrepid karts are in use worldwide and have a strong reputation for quality and reliability,

 

This ruling only affects a small number of karts and I hope common sense will prevail to overcome this unfortunate situation in a timely manner,

 

Should any Intrepid owners have any concern please contact myself directly on 021 463 476 or keith@lascom.co.nz

 

Keith Thomason,

 

Managing director,

 

Lasccom Motorsport.

 

Permalink Reply by Wayne Sproston on April 1, 2011 at 7:00
i wonder who wrote this was it  Lasccom Motorsport ???   
yes i agree not the place to post this they should be giving an apology for there behaviour and to the NZ karter for importing a kart that is deemed illegal and was pulled of the market in early 2010

At the beginning of 2009 Intrepid entered into a 3-year homologation period with the International Federation.  This is a very expensive and time-consuming process and allows the manufacturers to compete at the highest level internationally during the 3-year homologation period.   At the end of that period the chassis is no longer eligible to run at these high level events unless they are re-homologated.   This does not mean that the chassis are redundant, but are then ideally suited to use at club and recreational level.

this is a statment issued by intrepid Aus as read suitable for club and recreational level /////


Steve murch said:
Ah forgive me if im wrong but i thought this was to do with the demostration of bad behaviour
Permalink Reply by Aarron Cunningham on April 1, 2011 at 9:11

Karts being impounded was mentioned by Gary at the top and it was not Lascom Motorsport that had bad behaviour. Lascom Motorsport is a Limited Liability Company, therefore cannot behave in any way. 

Lascom Motorsport and its Directors have my support during this hard time. The ignorant basing their opinions on hearsay will not help Karting as a sport and make a tough situation nearly unbearable. 

Knowing Keith, Snow and Bryan personally (as well as many of their drivers) I know they would have all acted in good faith and were unlucky to have been the unwitting victims of somebody's miscommunicaion. 

 

Sorry to derail the thread Gary, Snow  and Lane Moore's alleged language are the issue at hand here and are a separate issue to chassis being magnetic or not.

 

Permalink Reply by Aarron Cunningham on April 2, 2011 at 18:06
And bad news tends to get people involved who weren't there. Kartsport are holding an inquiry where Snow will have to face a tribunal.
Permalink Reply by Steven Gaskell on April 2, 2011 at 18:42
Anybody got any magnetic paint?
Permalink Reply by Andrew Hall on April 2, 2011 at 19:42

I'm sticking my head out here as I wasn't there and don't know the whole story. However as an outsider looking in, this whole thing smacks of a set up. Kartsport personel came prepared to test  chassis's with a magnet. That in it's self should raise eyebrows. If they knew there was a problem, real or imagined, surely Kartsport and the importer involved could have sorted any problems behind the scenes and advised karters of any outcome that may have effected them. Instead we have a public spectacle made of the whole event.

From a competitors point of view, you drive possibly hundreds of k's, spend a few hundred dollars on tyres , fuel ,parts and entry fees, only to be bush wacked by someone, who obviously seems to have a predetermined agenda, that they will carry out at this particular race meet. When it could of all been avoided, if I had been a driver on the day I too  would have gone off my tree. It sounds like a competing chassis importer wanting to expand market share. There is certainly more to this than meets the eye I bet.

Sure swearing in public is not a good look, but it is this type of BS over a perceived problem that is driving licenced competitor numbers down. Stop the BS and get on with the racing.

Permalink Reply by Steven Gaskell on April 2, 2011 at 20:30

Intimating a rival chassis importer is involved for malicious reasons only serves to exacerbate the situation Andrew. It is worth pointing out anyone can protest any other kart for whatever reason they see fit. If Ferrari protest McLaren and McLaren are found to be illegal, it is not Ferrari's fault. I'd protest someone if I had good reason to think they were illegal, and I would have no problems with anyone who chooses to protest myself. But let me get my magnetic paint first ;)

 

On a more serious note, from what I understand Europe already had this whole issue, and it apparently revolves around an 09 homologated chassis that does not fit '10 homologation rules. I had the impression that once a chassis is homologated it is legal for the homologation period, regardless of future rule changes. In this case however, the 09 kart would not pass re-homologation for the next homologation period.

 

It is not for us to be judge, jury and executioner on 'bad behaviour'. Aaron said it's going to tribunal, that's where it should go and that is where action will or won't be taken. Nothing for us to saddle up the high horse about.
 
Permalink Reply by Gavin Bright on April 2, 2011 at 21:38

Andrew

I dont normally get into these forums but I think its about time to set the record straight, I cant speak for any of the other chassis importers but I can inform you this test on the chassis was certainly a surprise to us, both as the Rotax Series promoter and as a chassis importer, be careful when you make comments, as you said you were not at the event.

The test from my knowledge was instigated by Kartsport officials and not from any chassis importer, the magnet was applied to not only Intrepid chassis, and you also need to understand not all Intrepid chassis were tagged for later testing... somehow people seem to read into this whole issue that It is someone else to lay blame on

Permalink Reply by Aarron Cunningham on April 2, 2011 at 22:16

Also Andrew, I don't think many people are stupid or nasty enough to do this in a community of 997 licence holders. jJhn Lennox said to me today that it was an unlucky fluke and had they known they would have approached Lascom beforehand so a solution could have been found prior to having to crucify 4 of our best karters and make a visiting Australian's experience rather unpleasant.

 

Steve, firstly, Snow has apologised to the officials who were on the receiving end of his language and he shouldn't have to apologise to the karting public. Frankly after that it is no longer their business.  Secondly, the Officials look after there own and they do not to have their honour upheld on a web based Kangaroo Court. There are process in place to punish people who abuse our officials and they would have it well in hand. Lastly, if someone is offended by bad language, I suggest they find a sport where dick jokes do not form the basis of almost every comedy routine otherwise I will have to offer preemptive apologies before every meeting.

Permalink Reply by Andrew Hall on April 2, 2011 at 22:38
Hey if it happened purely by accident then thats fine, all I said was when you read stuff on a forum like this you wonder how something like this has come about, so I guess you start imagining the different possiblities that may be responsible for such an event. In all the years I've been karting I have never seen someone run a magnet over a kart.So I will officially stick my head back in now and apologise to anyone I may have offended.
Cheers guys.
Steven Gaskell said:

Intimating a rival chassis importer is involved for malicious reasons only serves to exacerbate the situation Andrew. It is worth pointing out anyone can protest any other kart for whatever reason they see fit. If Ferrari protest McLaren and McLaren are found to be illegal, it is not Ferrari's fault. I'd protest someone if I had good reason to think they were illegal, and I would have no problems with anyone who chooses to protest myself. But let me get my magnetic paint first ;)

 

On a more serious note, from what I understand Europe already had this whole issue, and it apparently revolves around an 09 homologated chassis that does not fit '10 homologation rules. I had the impression that once a chassis is homologated it is legal for the homologation period, regardless of future rule changes. In this case however, the 09 kart would not pass re-homologation for the next homologation period.

 

It is not for us to be judge, jury and executioner on 'bad behaviour'. Aaron said it's going to tribunal, that's where it should go and that is where action will or won't be taken. Nothing for us to saddle up the high horse about.
 

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